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No. It's better than super, Peter. There is a completely different ontology being formulated that I have experienced. I learned TM as a meditation technique, not as part of a religious experience or as a form of mysticism. But the pathway to knowing why TM is effective is not straightforward and points to a different way of perceiving, of thinking. For example, the third way Indra seeks to learn about the self is though sleep. But this is not entirely mistaken. I am only too aware that when I find something very difficult to formulate, I try going into a state between wakefulness and sleep for about 10 minutes or so, and I fully awake I can usually find I have formulated my thought. This poses interesting questions about consciousness and knowing, about the most alert state of the mind is not necessarily the state I am in when writing this email. This is so very different from our Western tradition. You delight me with much to ponder. Phil